Secession

[Sh|nK]

So many of the states are doing petitions to be removed from the union, you thoughts? Are you going to be one of the people that signs?

[PJAAI4]

Every State could govern themselves. Even if they can't provide the same level of infrastructure as a more powerful State.

I think more importantly is the ramification of having a "union" under the threat of death. Freedom and Democracy under 'our' control or will killed you. That is pretty dumb.

Maybe some people don't like to think about how things work and how things could work. There are some question that are scary to ask.

[Heywood Jablome]

Here's why that whole thing is a non-story.

1. It's petitions done by regular citizens. While some elected officials might also be batshit, this is really nothing more than wishful thinking.

2. After what happened with New York, you don't even have to live in the state to sign on its behalf.

3. These things have come up before, they have no obligation to follow through no matter how many people sign it.

Anyway, no state could totally govern itself. I mean, one hurricane in the Gulf would totally bankrupt Mississippi.

[Jade West]

But without Mississippi, some other state would have to come in last when vital statistics are measured.

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Heywood Jablome said:

Anyway, no state could totally govern itself. I mean, one hurricane in the Gulf would totally bankrupt Mississippi.

Mississippi would become America's Bangladesh

[PJAAI4]

Heywood Jablome said:

Anyway, no state could totally govern itself.

Its a good thing the world has the United Nations, otherwise I don't know what all those little countries would do.

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PJAAI4 said:

9, you must be better at trolling than me.

I didn't dismiss any of your statements. I just don't find them very thought out. Was there a point specifically you would like to discuss further?

I do however appreciate the tactic of accusing others of dismissing your position of "non-issue". I wonder what that is called in Latin.

Dismissing someone of "joking" is just a weak cop-out. I find it to be relatively lazy.

When you asked, "Where do you think the Federal gov't gets its money?" it illuminated the fact that you don't comprehend the nature of taxation or revenue. Then again, perhaps I should have discussed the finacial deadweight of many red states in the union at length from the beginning. It would have saved you a question.

Your implication that we'd save any state for the sake of taxes is generally wrong; the average for a red state in net contribution per capita is estimated at -$2,400. Which means on average, they contribute nothing to federal revenue except debt. If every state which voted for Romney left the union, we'd be richer.

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PJAAI4 said:

The Federal Reserve (which is an NGO) does in fact make money (thought still printed by the US Mint which is the gov't) and earn interest of said loan.

It creates money at the bidding of the government, no? And that money isn't owned by the Federal Reserve either...it is owned and protected by the government.

[PJAAI4]

Heywood Jablome said:

Here's why that whole thing is a non-story.

1. It's petitions done by regular citizens. While some elected officials might also be batshit, this is really nothing more than wishful thinking.

2. After what happened with New York, you don't even have to live in the state to sign on its behalf.

3. These things have come up before, they have no obligation to follow through no matter how many people sign it.

Anyway, no state could totally govern itself. I mean, one hurricane in the Gulf would totally bankrupt Mississippi.

I think you are missing the underlying concept of the question. If the Union is no longer voluntary there are practical ramification to that philosophical shift.

[PJAAI4]

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PJAAI4 said:

9, you must be better at trolling than me.

I didn't dismiss any of your statements. I just don't find them very thought out. Was there a point specifically you would like to discuss further?

I do however appreciate the tactic of accusing others of dismissing your position of "non-issue". I wonder what that is called in Latin.

Dismissing someone of "joking" is just a weak cop-out. I find it to be relatively lazy.

When you asked, "Where do you think the Federal gov't gets its money?" it illuminated the fact that you don't comprehend the nature of taxation or revenue. Then again, perhaps I should have discussed the finacial deadweight of many red states in the union at length from the beginning. It would have saved you a question.

Your implication that we'd save any state for the sake of taxes is generally wrong; the average for a red state in net contribution per capita is estimated at -$2,400. Which means on average, they contribute nothing to federal revenue except debt. If every state which voted for Romney left the union, we'd be richer.

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PJAAI4 said:

The Federal Reserve (which is an NGO) does in fact make money (thought still printed by the US Mint which is the gov't) and earn interest of said loan.

It creates money at the bidding of the government, no? And that money isn't owned by the Federal Reserve either...it is owned and protected by the government.

You do realize that money has existed and can exist without the current Federal gov't right?

And I am not sure what implication you are referring to. I think maybe you are crediting an idea to me that is not mine.

Yes, it is true that Congress request how much money they would like to buy (based on recommendation from several sources including the Federal Reserve). But no, the Federal gov't does not control the interest rates which change the value of money.

[One Love]

I can see why states want to, but i think this was mainly brought on by Obama's re-election. What people need to realize is this is way bigger than Obama; the whole system is flawed. Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin. Just look at how many similarities there were between Obama and Romney- they both support bailouts, individual mandates, the national defense authorization act (NDAA), endless wars, torture, they have the same corporations donating to their campaigns, etc. etc. With that said, seceding is like giving up. I think everyone is pretty much fed up with the results the two party system produces. It's time to start paying attention to what's really going on and do something about it. Its not going to be easy, but that's what we should do if being an american means anything.

[Meow]

as long as you sigh with a great big piece of smelly poop

[Nate]

Dont think theres really even an argument here states dont have the legal right to secede.