Medal of Honor May go to Living recipient!

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I understand that this isn't big news or relevant to some of you but to those who care to know.  Reports from Washington, Time  and the Associated press have stated that a living member of the United States military has been nominated and is currently under review for the Medal of Honor.  The award would be for the soldier's actions in Afghanistan that resulted in the saving of over a dozen of his fellow brothers in arms.

The Medal of Honor, which is the highest US military honor for bravery has not been awarded to a living recipient since the Vietnam War and has only been awarded six times posthumously during the past nine years of combat in Afghanistan and Iraq. 

If this award goes through it will be a watershed moment for the current generation of young Americans in uniform.  Support the troops.

[Cetan Ska]

Considering the man that is leading them may be committing treason as we speak, it is rather hard to support the people who fight for this country, however they are simply following orders(where have we heard that from?) and there is no reason to protest against them.

[Cetan Ska]

There is no HONOR in it! By undermining their Commander in Chief they are also unwittingly committing treason. There is a reason the men who founded this country were intelligent and wrote the constitution the way it was, and that was to protect the people, because no people should ever fear their government. However, I am speaking to someone who's been indoctrinated into thinking that whatever the Government says is true, even when it contradicts itself. Patriotism has become as foolish as faithfulness.

[Cetan Ska]

I would but that's impossible, and to honor any recipient of that award is disgusting. Until the 100+ that were awarded for the Wounded Knee Massacre, or any other one awarded for the destruction of "Native" Americans, have been rescinded, I will never honor that award. Anyone that does, honors the engineers of genocide. That goes for my people in the US Military now, proud of them, yes, honor them no. I see no honor in killing sick, starving, and unarmed men, women, children, and babies.

[Cetan Ska]

That General's actions have everything to do with the recipient, for it was his orders that he was following.
As an indoctrinated soldier you wouldn't agree with what I said about that award, but that is what it does because that award is meant for "honorable" people, and those are the types of people they gave it to.
Your third paragraph is proof positive about what I am saying about soldiers being indoctrinated. Besides, it is said "Once a Marine always a Marine." So whatever you did, you are or were only following orders, not unlike the Nazi's in the twentieth century.
Finally, I never said I do not respect them. I can respect someone I think is stupid. I'm not too unlike the morons overseas right now. I wanted to jump in and fight them towel-heads, but I started thinking about it, and I will not betray my people because your country was attacked because some other group doesn't like the way you live.
A personal note for you: I would if I could rescind the citizenship to this country, but the United States is a powerful giant with only one weakness, and until I can exploit that, I dare not make my move. There is no honor, and there is no justice in this so-called free country.

[Cetan Ska]

You have gone a long way out of your way to eventually come out and say you do not take it personally what is said here, but your actions have proved yourself wrong. Yes, we are strangers, and that only makes it easier for you to use your training as a soldier against me should you be that psycho. To answer your question:
It is the little things that matter. I may not be famous, I may not be wealthy, but what I do have is an understanding of society from the views of a friend of the seven council fires(or as you Americans like to put it, Sioux.) Also, what I have done is help raise the children of my family to be well read, to ask questions, and to question authority, including my own, because the war-mongering has to stop.
It is only fair to ask what have you done, but you already answered that; you killed people because someone told you to, because you couldn't find a better way to serve your country than as a tool of useless destruction. "Patriotism is a virtue of the vicious." Sir Walter Raleigh.

[Cetan Ska]

All I said was the award is tainted. Honor genocide if you like, it continues to happen everyday within the borders of The United States of America. By accepting the award, the soldier is only proving that people are willing to forget history and want to repeat it. Greed has replaced honor.
I wonder what professor wrote that wonderful book that proves that the Seven Council Fires acted like Europeans before they arrived. My people(sioux) laugh at the history books that say that we only arrived on the northern plains in 1776, and that we thirsted for the blood of our enemies. I do not doubt that date has significance to most Americans. They say the same about the people that lived in the Pueblos in the southwest as well, yet the homes there are dated back tens of thousands of years. Numerous tribes of people have been denied the truth because they won the battles that the US fought against them, only to lose their cultures because of the greed for useless stones and shiny pebbles.

[Cetan Ska]

If my people were going to slaughter settlers, Lewis and Clark would not have succeeded in their expedition, as soon as they were spotted moving up the river they were stopped and questioned, and allowed to pass peacefully. Hell, they even made the proclamation that my people were American Citizens from that point onward. I do not know where you get your information, but it's clear you are believing the lies that the government would have you believe instead of the truth. As for the settlers, by treaty there were supposed to be no settlers here. it was signed in 1868, but 8 years later Custer came in with a geological survey team looking for gold, which was expressly forbidden by the terms of that same treaty. We eradicated an illegal expedition into sacred lands. Seriously, how would anyone like it if the government started digging around in your home looking for treasure? Again back to the vicious images you portray of my people, if we were so thirsty for blood, why than were we friendly to the French?
I do not deny that there were major battles fought between tribes at one point in time on the northern plains, but I know the sight were it was decided that such useless shedding of blood should never happen again, and the life of only one would be sacrificed instead of whole villages. I grew up there, and near other sights sacred to my people. Avenging a relative was honored only if that relative's death was unprovoked. Plundering, we had no need to steal anything except that which was stolen from us. Prestige or honor, useless killing was dishonorable. Kidnapping happened all the time, but is it really kidnapping if the people are set free, and even taken home but refuse to leave?
It is rather sad that people are willing to form an opinion out of the generalizations that they are told in school, without learning more about a subject. Many of the Generals that were ordered to fight my people regretted what they had done, and wrote about the honor that they felt knowing there was such an honorable people as mine.

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lol, i still get tikled pink evrey time i read cetan's posts, and i almsot can't believe that he didnt bring up the fact that your are a black man koto, and have just as much reason to hate this country as he does....

ahh, but that is the wonderful part of living in this country, at least we have the right to say if not act upon our beliefs that the government is and has always been faulty, but if you could point out any government in any country or any time that hasnt had its major faults i would sorely like to read this

now OT, i agree it is a great honor to recieve this award, and i am sure if the individual in question recieves it or not they deserve respect for the valour in combat, because saving the lives of your comrades in arms while placing yours in more jeopardy than otherwise necessary is a very courageous and honorably thing to do, regardless of the reassons for the war, the bigwigs getting richer of it have nothing to do with the bullets flying past your face, or the screams of your brothers in arms as they lie wounded and dying in the grit and the mud, and anyone who can fight through that, defy every sense in the body screaming run run run and save another soldiers life through his actions, has my respect, and always will

[Cetan Ska]

Don't get me started on boat rides back to africa man.

I never once said that I did not respect the actions of the soldier nominated for the award, I merely stated my opinion of the award itself.

A throwback to 9's question about Alfred Nobel's peace prize, it is vile. Although some progress was made with his inventions, they caused more grief than good. An admirable effort to right a wrong, but some wrongs need more of an effort than dangling money for peace. The world would be better off if some people were never born.

[Cetan Ska]

Everyone has their own agenda, but Malcolm X said it best when he said :
You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it.
That is only in reference to the fact that everyone that has replied so far has attacked me for stating an opinion I have about the aforementioned award.

[Cetan Ska]

[Cetan Ska]

this man was gunned down, along with upwards of 300 others, by men who later received that award above, all because he sought protection, and food for his family.

His name was Bigfoot. He was sick with pneumonia, hadn't eaten in three days, was unarmed, and flying a white flag on December 29, 1889 at a place later to be called Wounded Knee, South Dakota. He was buried unceremoniously in a mass grave along with the other members of his family.