Anonymous

[number4]

How do you feel about Anonymous and Occupy movements? Do you support them? Are you against them? Not interested in them at all?

[qwertygirl]

Legal abortion, arguably here to stay. But access? Jurisdictions all over the nation have been running Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers out of town, and legislators are making it happen.

Look, I would super dig better foreign policy, but I don't believe Ron Paul has a functional plan to make that happen.

I also think that, for a candidate who runs on individual liberty, his stance on abortion (decidedly un-individual liberty) makes every other stance he takes rather suspect.

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Abortions are one of the most common surgical procedures in the USA. About 1/4 women within their life will have an abortion. There is no denying that the passionate demand for abortion far outpaces those who protest it. Even if abortion providers were physically removed from a state, you'd still have access to abortion via drugs like mifepristone...which is legal throughout the 50 states. You don't need an abortion clinic to dispense it. You can also find relatively safe home abortion kits online too.

Ron Paul would simply remove the government from the business of legally protecting abortion and give that right to the states to decide.

[qwertygirl]

I believe firmly that there are some rights that the federal government MUST uphold, that the states cannot have the right to withhold from it's citizens, and I believe that it's disingenuous to pretend that allowing the states to withhold rights from it's individuals is somehow a better form of government, or that it somehow makes our citizens more free for their state governments to withhold their rights than for their federal government to grant those rights.

"Abortion clinics" (more accurately referred to as women's health centers, since they do SO MUCH MORE than provide abortions) are necessary. Women need access to reproductive medical care. Women need to know that their doctors are obligated to provide them with all their options.

Also the fact that you actually posted these words: "You can also find relatively safe home abortion kits online too." make you a raging idiot. Are there "relatively safe" home heart surgery kits online too? What about "relatively safe" home wisdom tooth removal kits?

Abortion is a medical procedure, and needs medical oversite.

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That is cool but we aren't going to have much of a federal government to protect rights if we can't balance our budget. That means we are going to need uncool politicians who say, "no" to our common solution of throwing money at our problems. Abortion isn't going to fix that. Neither is gay marriage or ending racism. Our economic foundation is in dire need of reform. Yet, unlike most politicians, Ron Paul and a few others understands this. As much as you'd like to make some bigot claim about only male Christians caring but it just exposes your ignorance of why so many Americans are interested in libertarianism.

Yes, it even means we'll need to cut corporate welfare to big corporations like Planned Parenthood...just like we shouldn't be bailing out the American auto industry or banks. Businesses need to succeed on their own terms and government shouldn't come in to rescue. Citizens also need to take care of themselves instead of expecting the federal government to swoop in and give them healthcare (perhaps instead of buying a second car, the latest iPhone and other material goods, we should put that money to savings?)

Wow, did you just compare an outpatient surgical procedure with open heart surgery? Do you even know how a first-trimester abortion is performed? Early term abortions are so easy to perform that a doctor or even a trained nurse could could do it within the comfort of your home...hell, in some clinics. And there is an limited amount of herbs which induce miscarriages.

Any who, it is people like you who are also the problem in this country. People who just want to vote out of their own self-interests and not for the collective interests of this nation. We need to vote like Americans instead of dividing ourselves into the Christian vote, Women's vote, Hispanic vote, and etc..

[qwertygirl]

Corporate. Welfare. To. Big. Corporations. Like. Planned. Parenthood.

I reiterate: You're an idiot.

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Planned Parenthood is a multinational business that operates in many different countries throughout the world, one of the USA's largest abortion providers, has an annual billion dollar budget, receives hundreds of millions in government spending, and in return spends money to influence public opinion through lobbying. Yet, somehow, the most effective way to counter these facts is by calling me an idiot? Geez, grow up, child.

[Cade]

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[PJAAI4]

Anonymous isn't much of a movement anymore. When something is intentional decentralized to begin with it can very easily fizzle. All it is now is random people making up their own rules and punishments. Oddly I think they have been pretty effective.

Occupy is such a wasted potential. Its people having very little understanding of how systems around them work. It could have been awesome like the Bonus Army of the 1920's. Or the International Brigade in the Spanish Civil War. I feel like it has had some small success globally, but not much in the States.

[PJAAI4]

qwertygirl said:

I believe firmly that there are some rights that the federal government MUST uphold, that the states cannot have the right to withhold from it's citizens,

What rights exactly are you reffering to?